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I haven’t seen the question but I’ll give it a go:
1. I’m assuming the absence of gift taxes is because the gift was transacted through an irrevocable trust, meaning that Ruby will be paying the taxes. Grantor pays tax in addition to the grant, so gift tax isn’t deducted. Gift tax rate is a red herring.
2. If the irrevocable trust route is used, the £15k allowance is not applied as it only applies to individuals, not if it’s placed in a trust.
3. Therefore the tax rate used is 25% (income tax on the trust) rather than 45% marginal tax rate (on children I’m assuming).
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@zee thanks for the response.
1. But to compare fairly even if Ruby were to pay the gift tax, shouldn’t the taxes get deducted from the £5m just like the bequest?
As we are comparing giving the amount to his children now via a trust and suffers a gift tax of 25% (and a annual tax deduction of 25% on the portfolio’s return based on the kid’s marginal tax rate)
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Annual tax deduction of 45% on the portfolio’s return based on Ruby’s marginal tax rate and a inheritance tax at the end.The solution’s formula:
Relative value of tax free gift = FV gift / FV bequest
= [1 + Rg (1 – Tig)] ^ n / { [1 + Re ( 1 – Tie)] ^ n } * (1 – Te)Te = inheritance tax
Tie = grantor’s marginal tax rate
Tig = recipient’s marginal tax rateIn the denominator the inheritance tax is deducted but in the numerator gift tax were not deducted. I understand that it states that “The tax code requires that gift taxes be paid by the recipient unless the gift is placed in an irrevocable trust.”, but if we were to use the trust for a tax efficient transaction, grantor would have to pay the tax and shouldn’t that get deducted from the £5m?
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@zee so if the grantor pays the tax (unless specifies otherwise) and if he’s still alive (not bequest) the syllabus assumes he should come up with the additional amount for the tax, but if it’s for bequest tax will be deducted from the amount (£5m in this case) ?
Guess this is the area that it’s a little confusing, perhaps it’s simplified for exam and not for real world.
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If the grantor pays tax, it’s not included in the calculation, as the grantor pays in addition to the £5m. So if I gave you £5m at 25% gift tax, I would actually have to bring £6.25m to the table, and you’ll still receive £5m.
I know it’s not a ‘fair’ comparison in that sense but the point is to compare “what amount gets to my children”. It’s a bit of a weird area that I got confused with as well.
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